tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post8461902632289450898..comments2023-04-07T04:37:37.374-07:00Comments on Sojka's Call: Religion, Science and SpiritSojka's Callhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-3306987374613302252013-07-22T12:35:30.032-07:002013-07-22T12:35:30.032-07:00Well then, thank you Bob for the idea and thank yo...Well then, thank you Bob for the idea and thank you Mike for taking him up on it. Hope my friends and family didn't scare you off. You and I have had several conversations along some of these lines. If whatever you say is offensive, or not, we can take it. I've listened to Mike and Paul go at it and wondered if they hated each other but that's not the case...I believe. You never know what will spark a long thread. Even though I say very little I follow along for the enjoyment, enlightenment, and education. Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-41341160343566044002013-07-22T12:10:36.339-07:002013-07-22T12:10:36.339-07:00wow! an amazing thread and all thanks to Bob who s...wow! an amazing thread and all thanks to Bob who said he liked to talked religion and politics and that made the original article attractive to me for starting a new topic. So, even though Bob had little input on this he provided the initial impetus without consciously knowing it.<br /><br />That is what the whole enchilada is about. It takes surrender (letting of the personal ego and trying to control outcomes), trust (believe that everything is OK/will happen/is in balance/ is right), and gratitude (thanking our lucky stars/God/spirit/??? for being conscious and everything we currently have). Those three actions/attitudes/core beliefs will yield a state of grace (warm and fuzzy) sometimes when everything is harmonized.<br />Sojka's Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-63161588588633700372013-07-22T12:08:13.254-07:002013-07-22T12:08:13.254-07:00@Susan Okay! That will be $100, thank you.@Susan Okay! That will be $100, thank you.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-31892470173284908372013-07-22T12:07:40.482-07:002013-07-22T12:07:40.482-07:00I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy inside too.I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy inside too. Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-42058140255895973632013-07-22T12:07:06.117-07:002013-07-22T12:07:06.117-07:00Who started the thread? I'd have to go all the...Who started the thread? I'd have to go all the way back to check. 😀Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-35594981287028697142013-07-22T12:06:34.726-07:002013-07-22T12:06:34.726-07:00@Jeff Yeah, I got it. I remember that line too. I...@Jeff Yeah, I got it. I remember that line too. In fact, I can hear him in my head saying it. Lol<br />I figured you had gotten it from a line in a movie because that's where you get a lot of the Schtuff that you quote, I mean, say. Ha ha. I'm hear.<br />I'm listening to all of y'all. Lol<br />I know what your gift is Jeff. Susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-1418367038670383032013-07-22T12:06:05.026-07:002013-07-22T12:06:05.026-07:00Hmmm...that trait of humans alone, curiosity, isn&...Hmmm...that trait of humans alone, curiosity, isn't that the one that whole Fall from the Garden of Eden is about. Eating of the Tree of Knowledge is what got humans in trouble. Or is it all just a metaphor for what distinguishes us from animals. Perhaps this so called "original sin" is really a misinterpretation of the burden and at the same time inate trait as humans. The loss of the ability to live in the now, curiosity and time based awareness and worry concerning the future, coupled with guilt with regards to our actions if deemed unacceptable (although I have detected great guilt in my dog when he did something he knew was wrong). Something about that whole Garden of Eden thing that didn't ring true until you brought up the curiosity thing. Not like a cat, but one that involves intellectual questioning. Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-67379545716774050542013-07-22T12:05:07.919-07:002013-07-22T12:05:07.919-07:00Indeed! I was going to throw something else into t...Indeed! I was going to throw something else into the mix but hesitate because I like the vibe of where this is as well. I need to enjoy the good feeling for a while. Sojka's Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-30098457942031341172013-07-22T12:04:56.461-07:002013-07-22T12:04:56.461-07:00Hey this is better than paying a lot of money for ...Hey this is better than paying a lot of money for a therapy session. We have accomplished a lot with this thread. Rejected the news cycle as a basis for anything really meaningful, sorted out the new direction of the foundations for belief for the human race, determined the key to personal happiness, and on top of that solved the mystery of what is the meaning of life. What more could one ask for?<br /><br />Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-47625240197755745462013-07-22T12:04:30.437-07:002013-07-22T12:04:30.437-07:00Absolutely it makes sense. The meaning of life is ...Absolutely it makes sense. The meaning of life is personal and different for everyone.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-46408427213789029262013-07-22T12:04:09.546-07:002013-07-22T12:04:09.546-07:00The meaning of life. The reply I like best aside ...The meaning of life. The reply I like best aside from the index finger signifying "one thing" is "it is whatever you make it". It is up to us to give it meaning. Kinda simple and circular but for me makes sense.<br /><br />Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-44340626596592492992013-07-22T12:03:40.398-07:002013-07-22T12:03:40.398-07:00That's just great! You got that Sue? That'...That's just great! You got that Sue? That's where I got that gift idea. Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-74893455993115059782013-07-22T12:03:13.498-07:002013-07-22T12:03:13.498-07:00Oh, that was good! We truly are grokking now.Oh, that was good! We truly are grokking now.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-37556405951313853182013-07-22T12:02:48.988-07:002013-07-22T12:02:48.988-07:00for reference.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...for reference.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1uOqRb0HU<br /><br />I did not remember this scene and had to look it up<br />Sojka's Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-87538975763078985042013-07-22T12:02:30.627-07:002013-07-22T12:02:30.627-07:00Sorry - I thought everyone knew the word grok. I d...Sorry - I thought everyone knew the word grok. I did provide the reference in my first email. Check this out.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok<br /><br />the wiki has everything!Sojka's Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-40127926123509366142013-07-22T12:02:11.605-07:002013-07-22T12:02:11.605-07:00@Keith Amen to that.@Keith Amen to that.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-25264363071868721252013-07-22T12:01:42.190-07:002013-07-22T12:01:42.190-07:00@Keith Oh my god!!!!!!!! That's where I got i...@Keith Oh my god!!!!!!!! That's where I got it. I couldn't remember where I got that idea. Thank you, oh thank you. LOL! Just joking around with my students, when I'm finished with a lesson, I always ask my students, "are there any questions...about anything, the meaning of life, anything?" Every once in a while a kid will ask, "what is the meaning of life?" To which I will hold up my index finger. That is so friggin' funny.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-9082658100272683392013-07-22T12:01:12.496-07:002013-07-22T12:01:12.496-07:00Another with what I consider sage advice, Joseph C...Another with what I consider sage advice, Joseph Campbell states we should "follow your bliss" and you will find your gift and happiness. Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-24027806207923942152013-07-22T12:00:46.033-07:002013-07-22T12:00:46.033-07:00Amazing. The one gift thing I also took from the ...Amazing. The one gift thing I also took from the character Curley Bill played by Jack Palance in City Slickers with Billy Crystal on the cattle drive. I always have found that to be one of the most sage lines of a movie I have every seen. And it was a hilarious comedy as well. Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-19805550039487669702013-07-22T12:00:21.233-07:002013-07-22T12:00:21.233-07:00And it all depends upon what Bible you are quoting...And it all depends upon what Bible you are quoting from. It is also necessary to understand the history of the Catholic Church and how we ended up with only those books of the Bible as decreed at the council of Nicea in 325 rejecting a whole group of others because it didn't fit the narrative that the apostolic church was selling at the time. That history and the subsequent sects which were determined as heresies for those who didn't follow the "one true church" were coupled with significant penalties. Had those books been included it would have been a completely different following of Christ who hadn't prior to that time elevated him to the level of a diety. Subsequently, only those who knew how to interpret or whose interpretation was deemed correct were to be listened to. Even in my Catholic upbringing and attendance at a Catholic High Schowe were not exposed to the Bible until my freshman year religion class where we were guided through the Old and New Testament. Didn't even know there were other books of the bible not included until I was an adult. The emphasis at the time, as any Catholics will recall was the Sunday Missal deemed to contain everything you needed to know by the reverend clergy. The gospels and dominus vobiscum and et cum spiritu tuo. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa...<br /><br />Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-22983662971207598432013-07-22T11:59:45.857-07:002013-07-22T11:59:45.857-07:00Jeff your are definitely in the zone on this threa...Jeff your are definitely in the zone on this thread. Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-18502578813977075052013-07-22T11:59:18.487-07:002013-07-22T11:59:18.487-07:00@SojkasCall Alright, I'll bite. The first tim...@SojkasCall Alright, I'll bite. The first time you used the word I thought it was a typo, and I, therefore, ignored it. What the hell is grokking.? And it better be good (I've put pressure on you now). See curiosity got the better of me. Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-225368202137880862013-07-22T11:58:46.262-07:002013-07-22T11:58:46.262-07:00@Jeff Grokking!!@Jeff Grokking!!Sojka's Callhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194255866195398776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-15720265780811789612013-07-22T11:58:22.212-07:002013-07-22T11:58:22.212-07:00@Susan
"Whether you use the word ability or g...@Susan<br />"Whether you use the word ability or gift, my mind wanders into this place where I see the concept tied into a personal ego. Then I get stuck on that and cannot go further. Yet, I get a vague sense you are talking about something else yet I cannot really see it."<br /> <br />These statements you made is precisely why I didn't state what I know my gift to be. I didn't want anyone to think I was being egotistical. It is good enough to know your abilities without broadcasting them. It is only important that we utilize what we were given. Nothing more, nothing less. In other words, it only becomes tied into a personal ego if you go around bragging about it. Be comfortable with the knowledge that you are contributing even if it's only in a small way. That small contribution may be all that is required of you to make the whole function efficiently.Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238065871527577968.post-51818710311136962502013-07-22T11:57:33.188-07:002013-07-22T11:57:33.188-07:00@Jeff You answered my question about "the gif...@Jeff You answered my question about "the gift." I wondered if you meant ability. Sometimes they are synonymous and sometimes they are not. <br />Susannoreply@blogger.com